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Immediately Deport foreigners who are convicted of high risk offender offences.

Immediately Deport foreigners who are convicted of high risk offender offences.

We house in New Zealand's prisons far too many foreign nationals. At 90K a year, this money should be spent on New Zealanders regardless of their criminal status. Any serious offending should have the foreign national striped of their right of abode/residency and on occasions citizenship and removed to their country of origin. Removing the individual in this instance will be paramount to punishing them and should the Authorities in the receiving nation feel obliged to impose sanction them upon arrival, so be it. This policy would go some way to alleviating our current muster crisis and provide notable savings to the government and New Zealand.

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    • Philip Wilkinson
      commented 2016-12-07 13:05:52 +1300
      agree 100%
      If someone has asked to enter and stay in a country and do not agree with that countries laws they should leave.
      If we have to pay for the ticket its sure to be cheaper than detention or court appeals.
    • Philip Wilkinson
      tagged this with essential 2016-12-07 13:05:52 +1300
    • Graeme Kiyoto-Ward
      commented 2016-12-05 12:50:13 +1300
      There’s one educational institution that is free to join and that has a very high success rate at behavioural change. Unfortunately it’s our prisons and the don’t like what skills graduates of the penal system come out with. I think prison reform is way more important than taking stab in the dark positions around deportation.

      I agree with Robert Murray. If we are to demonstrate that we are a civilised society, we need to be civilised.
    • Robert Murray
      commented 2016-12-05 11:38:01 +1300
      Do we deport them on conviction or after all their appeals are exhausted? What about those whose conviction is overturned. I’m not sure that treating people with the barbarity they have used shows them the error of their ways. Moreover if we use that level of barbarity aren’t we just as guilty. Don’t we pride ourselves that we live in a decent society. Given that many criminals are a product of that decent society don’t we have a responsibility to treat them as a symbol of flaws in that decent society – rather than writing them off as being wholly responsible for their predicament.
    • Robert Murray
      commented 2016-12-05 11:37:59 +1300
      Do we deport them on conviction or after all their appeals are exhausted? What about those whose conviction is overturned. I’m not sure that treating people with the barbarity they have used shows them the error of their ways. Moreover if we use that level of barbarity aren’t we just as guilty. Don’t we pride ourselves that we live in a decent society. Given that many criminals are a product of that decent society don’t we have a responsibility to treat them as a symbol of flaws in that decent society – rather than writing them off as being wholly responsible for their predicament.
    • Lester Williams
      commented 2016-12-05 09:12:54 +1300
      Sounds like a candidate for a third world destination. So what if his own people cut his head off? That’s there prerogative and it’ll ensure he never doesbit again.
      What I was alluding to for shorter sentences is removing the prisoner from other prisoners and provide program/ courses / instruction via interactive tech based medium that require a degree of achievement to earn their prividges and extra entitlements. 3,6 and 12 month sentences with the possibility of remission could prove a positive alternative to the social criminal universities we operate at present.
    • Graeme Kiyoto-Ward
      commented 2016-12-05 08:28:04 +1300
      If you are after short sharp hard hitting sentences then is this advocating a return to corporal punishment or shame punishment? If you are talking about making prison time more ‘meaningful’ then apart from adding years (which doesn’t work) then it’s either discomfort (essentially corporal punishment) or humiliation (shame punishment). Why not cut out the middle man and run with people carrying around placards “I’m a drunk driver” or caning offenders. I think there a topic that talks about alternate non-custodual sentences and these alternatives (if that’s what you are advocating) may better belong there. Deporting people before the punishment is server will need some serious, serious examination because I can see this being so full of unintended consequences that is scares the life out of me.
      Let me get this straight by running a scenario. Someone from a conservative middle eastern country rapes a woman in NZ and we catch them, put ‘em in court and the moment they are convicted, we dump ’em on a plane with a ’not welcome back’ note in our system. Is that right?
      So what happens if:
      (A) the country we send them to beheads them (NZ victim was someone else’s wife), or
      (B) lets them go without penalty (victim was unmarried)
      It’s not our law that applies at the destination. This sounds like a knee jerk. Do you have evidence. What does the evidence say?
    • Lester Williams
      commented 2016-12-05 07:40:05 +1300
      The alternative being keeping them in comparitve luxury at the expense of nz tax payers? I can’t advocate that. We have muster crisis in this country. We sending a couple hundred home anyway so let’s do that and save ourselves a billion dollars on building new prisons. All the recidivists could possibly be sent off shore too if a new tweaked system failed them. After a year in an Indonesian prison, even recidivists might reconsider their life choices. I’m not for longer sentences. they don’t nessasily work. I’m for short sharp meaningful sentences with an emphasis on punishment or intense rehabilitation through separated immersive programing. Stick and carrot without distractions.
    • Graeme Kiyoto-Ward
      commented 2016-12-05 07:23:12 +1300
      Peter die in Phillipino jails. The conditions are inhumane. What’s the difference between this and extraordinary rendition (sending prisoners to be interrogated in a country that doesn’t have effective human rights laws). Really. Think through the consequences of what you are asking for. Have you considered the unintended consequences. If people think they will be sent to jails where they could be abused or die, how much harder will they fight. Killing witnesses becomes more attractive as an option.

      I see there being two ugly sides to this argument. Either inhumane treatment or deporting prisoners to freedom.
    • Lester Williams
      commented 2016-12-05 06:56:13 +1300
      Outsource. A year in a Filipino/indonessian/Haitian prison would be about right. If we going to lock them up let’s get some bang for our buck.
    • Lester Williams
      commented 2016-12-05 06:44:31 +1300
      This is where the penal system needs a tweak. There should be an accounting. People do come here to commit crimes because we are a soft touch. Let’s not be soft and then get rid of them.
    • Graeme Kiyoto-Ward
      commented 2016-12-05 00:38:19 +1300
      Please think this through. We have both control over what happens to the criminal when they are deported. What’s to stop people coming to NZ, committing violent crime for kicks and they getting deported to freedom. There’s no country that will imprison someone to honor another countries court imposed sentence. Do we want to become a destination for violent people to live out their violent fantasies potentially without consequence.
    • Lester Williams
      commented 2016-12-04 21:50:17 +1300
      Why would we spend money on someone who doesn’t need or deserve to be in the country? It makes no sense? I’d like my government to be spending money on me and my family and my fellow countrymen and not refuse from else where that can be sent back to elsewhere. Our pen system would do with a tweak.
    • Graeme Kiyoto-Ward
      commented 2016-12-04 14:32:52 +1300
      It’s the beginning of the end for our corrections system that we automatically assume that rehabilitation is a dead duck and deport. Sounds like something NZ First or ACT would dream up. I mean haven’t you just voted our prison system a big fail?
    • Tim O'Donnell
      commented 2016-12-04 13:28:56 +1300
      The way Australia went about deporting was the wrong way. The principle behind what they did was right.
    • Lester Williams
      commented 2016-12-03 00:13:37 +1300
      Keeping them is no gain, lossing them is no loss. Being a foriegn national and living in this country is a privilege not a right. If one abuses that privilege, one loses the right. A one way plane ticket to anywhere costs less than a week in prison. They can apply to come back of course but if the athourities in, say, China apply the applicable corrosponding sentence to say,drug smuggling, it might be a bit of a stretch.
    • Robert Murray
      commented 2016-12-02 17:02:44 +1300
      Contrast this, with Australia sending back to us people who have lived since infancy in Australia but technically are New Zealanders – perhaps some discretion needs to be exercised. Apparently the number of foreigners in NZ prisons is about 300. About half are Pacific Islanders – Half of whom are Samoans (ie 75) who don’t tend to re-offend (ie learn their lesson and go on to become good citizens) I did not find figures for serious offending but many do get deported at the end of their sentence. Deporting someone who, say, was caught importing drugs would not be much of a deterrent. The numbers are low and the savings from deporting them, prior to incarceration rather than after, would probably be absorbed by the lawyers and tribunal needed to enforce such a move.
      Given that people who become naturalised take an oath to obey the law it could be argued that they have broken the oath which negates their citizenship – but this could become subject to abuse by a less tolerant government.
    • duncan cairncross
      commented 2016-12-01 23:11:24 +1300
      A foreigner who is here illegally or on a visa should be deported
      BUT a citizen is a citizen no matter where they were born
    • duncan cairncross
      tagged this with dislike 2016-12-01 23:11:24 +1300
    • Tim O'Donnell
      commented 2016-12-01 07:19:19 +1300
      Hi Lester I have put forward something similar in another suggestion. I think it’s a reasonable idea. Graeme, It’s better to send them back to their own country than keep them here. It would be an added deterrent for crime. We should try to get reciprocal rules but it’s up to the other country if they want to let them free on their own community. I would also have no problem with another country doing the same to us.
    • Tim O'Donnell
      tagged this with essential 2016-12-01 07:19:18 +1300
    • Lester Williams
      commented 2016-12-01 07:09:27 +1300
      You’re working on the premise that our current penal system is is a punishment or deterrent? As I have the inside on this issue, the idea of this policy would be to remove foreign Nationals who are undesirable from New Zealand and stop them from draining tax payer dollars
      . If punishment was the issue, we would need to change the nature of our prison system. There are more effective ways of saving tax payer money but the political will does not exist in this country.
    • Graeme Kiyoto-Ward
      commented 2016-12-01 06:50:57 +1300
      This may be deporting them to freedom. It would probably require a reciprocal arrangement with other counties. How would expect feel if someone was convicted overseas then was deported to NZ to do their time. Are the law in other countries set up to imprison someone who hasn’t been convicted? Also, will the other country respect our laws? Possibly they could say “whatever” and let them go. Would we even want to set up a reciprocal arrangement.

      I’m going to throw it out there but what’s the evidence that cracking down on foreigners (the topic of a few suggestions) is a benefit to society? Isn’t the whole get tough on foreigners thing Winston’s territory.
    • Lester Williams
      published this page in Suggestions 2016-11-30 23:16:28 +1300