29. How’d you work out 80% of people would be better off?

29. How’d you work out 80% of people would be better off?


We have models of the distribution of income and wealth in NZ - how many people earn what, and own what. They are of course proximate because the wealth data collected in NZ is very poor. But there are a number of ways we can get reasonable distributions and then run sensitivity experiments to see what difference if any it makes if we chose alternative income/wealth distributions. Then we specify how the tax would work, and for any one simulation you have to pick an income tax scale, decide what exemptions if any you’re going to allow, decide what rates you’re going to apply to this deemed capital income, what rate of capital income you’re going to deem, etc etc. And finally of course the whole package must be tax neutral. Now that just gives you an impact effect. From there you have to assess what if any behavioural changes you’re going to allow for, especially say with business investment and growth because business is a big beneficiary of this as its supply of capital changes now the property gravy train has been halted.

At the end of all that you get a feel for the numbers, you certainly have a range of reasonable outcomes. We found the number better off under various assumptions varied between 75% and 95%, dependent mainly on how we set the new income tax scale. Generally though the more that benefited, the lower the benefit for those most of those who do. 

Of course they’re models, not reality so nobody is going to say definitively this is what will happen. Economics just isn’t like that, predicting behaviour change is especially tricky. And working out 

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  • Norman Cates
    commented 2016-12-28 21:03:10 +1300
    So if you’ve done the calculations in rough form, please release them. Perhaps release a spreadsheet people can download and plug in their own numbers. To put in possible variations.

    You can put in reasonable guidelines. Here or in the spreadsheet. You won’t be able to cover all situations of course, but should be able to cover the majority. Especially those people who have only one home as a family home. That’s the majority of people who own property.

    There are a lot of people, myself included, who have been asking for worked examples ever since this came out.

    Until we can plug these things in to try it, this is a very hard to understand policy for anyone who is not an economist. Until we can see the seesaw effects of dropping income taxes at the same time as creating this “presumed income” tax, it’s just a lot of hot air. Trust in politicians is very low. We’re too used to them (and now that includes you Mr Morgan) blowing smoke up our asses. The problem is that the average citizen is unable to properly evaluate many policies, due to lack of experience. So getting independent comments from experts would be very helpful.
  • Peter Sedgeman
    commented 2016-12-16 08:51:36 +1300
    My concern is collecting people will hide their wealth.